美网友：能接连看到魔术师、詹姆斯和西蒙斯的表演，吾之幸也！我天

[OC] Comparing the rookie years of Ben Simmons, LeBron, and Magic (Per 36 numbers)

西蒙斯、詹姆斯、魔术师新秀赛季每36分钟数据对比

每36分钟

詹姆斯

西蒙斯

魔术师

得分

19.1

16.7

17.9

篮板

8.4

7.7

助攻

5.4

8.4

7.3

抢断

1.5

1.8

2.4

盖帽

0.7

0.9

0.5

有效命中率%

43.8

53.6

53.4

PER值

18.3

19.4

20.6

年龄

身高（cm）

203

208

206

体重（kg）

113

104

[–]faithdies 532 指標 9小時前

Man - Magic was really good.

我天，这是吹魔术师的吧？

[–]HuskiesCaptainKumar 340 指標 9小時前

So are Ben Simmons and LeBron

同时也在吹西蒙斯和詹姆斯。

[–]Cavalierswhy_you_salty_though 36 指標 4小時前

Enough with the hot takes. Let"s see how this Lebron guy performs in playoffs first

骑士球迷：别想搞个dfuis了，咱们得先看看这个叫勒布朗的小伙子在季后赛表现怎么样再说吧。

[–]nowhathappenedwas 44 指標 5小時前

This graphic obscures how good Magic actually was by using eFG% instead of TS%.

Magic"s .602 TS% was the 8th best in the NBA (league average was .531).

Simmons" .551 TS% is below league average (.557).

这张图用了有效命中率而不是真实命中率，掩盖了魔术师究竟多出色。

魔术师的真实命中率是60.2%，联盟第8（当时联盟平均值是53.1%）。

西蒙斯的真实命中率是55.1%，低于联盟平均值（55.7%）。

[–]PelicansTheUnsungPancake 36 指標 7小時前

Greatest Rookie season of all time.

魔术师的新秀赛季史上最强。

[–]Trail BlazersCode_Inconnu_ 96 指標 7小時前

The fact that he won finals MVP as a rookie really seals it. Also the youngest finals MVP in history.

魔术师新秀赛季就拿了总决赛MVP，还是史上最年轻的FMVP获得者。楼上的说法一点毛病没有。

[–]Raptorsgarynevilleisared 38 指標 8小時前

Glad I got to see him play. LeBron and Ben are the closest things I"ve seen to him, but with their own takes on the big point guard role. Honestly feel lucky to be alive during these time periods.

猛龙球迷：很荣幸曾看过魔术师打球。勒布朗和西蒙斯是我见过最接近魔术师的球员，但他们作为大号控卫又有着自己特别的技巧。能接连看到魔术师、詹姆斯和西蒙斯的表演，我之幸也。

[–]76ersProfessor_Crab 19 指標 7小時前

Reminiscent of the 50s and 60s for baseball, basketball has had a crazy talent level the past 20 years. We"ve gotten Lebron, Jordan, Kobe, Iverson, Shaq, Embiid.../s, and so many more.

76人球迷：这让人联想到五六十年代的棒球，篮球这项运动在这过去的20年有着不可思议的天赋水平。我们有勒布朗、乔丹、科比、艾弗森、奥尼尔、恩比德（TX）等等……

[–]dpmalone 6 指標 6小時前

Which one of these is not like the others? Hmmm....

好像有一个奇怪的东西混进去了？我找找……

[–]76ersProfessor_Crab 17 指標 5小時前

Iverson under 6"?

76人球迷：你说艾弗森吧？就他不到一米八。

[–][TOR] OG Anunobycaboose979 189 指標 9小時前

Magic is underrated when people talk about GOATS.

大家讨论史上最佳时总是低估魔术师。

[–]SpursJeTeJ 73 指標 8小時前

true. i think its because he played with kareeem a lot

是的，我觉得这是因为他很长时间都和贾巴尔一起打球。

[–]CelticsJaylenBGOAT 35 指標 4小時前

I mean Kareem is underrated as fuck so probably not that

我觉得贾巴尔已经被低估成那样了，所以估计不是这个原因。

[–]76ersShenshkanashkva 82 指標 4小時前

true. i think its because he played with magiic a lot

是的，我觉得这是因为他很长时间都和魔术师一起打球。

[–]CelticsJaylenBGOAT 29 指標 4小時前

I mean Magic is underrated as fuck so probably not that

我觉得魔术师已经被低估成那样了，所以估计不是这个原因。

[–]Raptorsgarynevilleisared 42 指標 8小時前

A lot of people had him as their GOAT back in the day tbh. If you talk to some older guys he will definitely come up. My dad for instance, he has KAJ 1a and Magic 1b, with MJ after them. He"s also a Lakers fan fwiw tho

猛龙球迷：很多人在那个时代已经把他当做史上最佳了。如果你和一个年长点的人讨论，他一定会同意的。我爸就是个例子，他会把贾巴尔和魔术师当成史上最佳的第一档，贾巴尔也微弱优势领先，下一档才是乔丹。对了他是湖蜜。

[–][POR] Damian Lillardgreatestbird 17 指標 5小時前

How does a Laker fan create a Raptor fan child?? I thought laker fan children came out in kobe Jerseys

一个湖蜜的孩子为什么主队是猛龙？？？我以为湖蜜的孩子出生的时候就穿着科比球衣呢。

[–]Pacersclaimsman11 674 指標 9小時前*

that"s nuts, all three also got to play off a generational talent at center with KAJ, Jojo, and Big Z

edit: /s

I really didnt think this would be taken seriously

太不可思议了，这仨人都有机会和划时代的超级中锋合作啊：贾巴尔、恩比德和大Z。

编辑：TX，成了吧？

我还以为这个玩笑很明显了啊。

[–][IND] Stephen JacksonMcChickenuggets 95 指標 7小時前

The sarcasm was clear. Some people just don’t pick up on it as easily. And I downvote the shit out of those people.

这TX得这么明显，有些人就是领会不到这个意思啊。我一般的做法是灭死他们。

[–]CelticsElintalidorian 10 指標 1小時前

I know you"re joking but Big Z was solid for a while. I really liked his game.

我知道你只是开玩笑，但大Z还是硬过一段时间的，我很喜欢他的比赛技巧与风格。

[–]CavalierssBarro77 159 指標 8小時前

骑士球迷：ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[–][MEM] Kwame BrownMariota008 102 指標 7小時前

No inclusion of Tyreke"s rookie season though ?

灰熊球迷：嗯？没有泰瑞克-埃文斯新秀赛季数据吗？差评！

[–]TimberwolvesNinjavelociraptor2 63 指標 6小時前

Just for Comparison Purposes

Tyreke Rookie Season (Per 36) 19.5/5.1/5.6, 1.5spg, 0,3bpg, 47.3ePG%, 18.2 PER, Age 20

只是对比一下：

泰瑞克-埃文斯新秀赛季（每36分钟）：19.5分5.1板5.6助，1.5抢断，0.3盖帽，有效命中率47.3%，PER值18.2，20岁。

[–][BOS] Kendrick PerkinsCBFball 170 指標 9小時前

Per 36 between eras just isn"t a good comparison

不同年代的每36分钟数据没太大可比性。

[–]WarriorsTonAmiChris 35 指標 7小時前

For most cases I would agree, but Magic"s Lakers played at a faster pace. I would imagine LeBron"s numbers are lower because of a combination of age and slower pace

大多数情况下我会同意，但魔术师时代的湖人打的节奏更快。勒布朗年龄更小，所处的时代比赛节奏更慢，我觉得他的数据因为这两个原因显得低了。

[–]KnicksDjangoUBlackBastard 14 指標 5小時前

Even without the pace per possession teams score way more now with all the rules muting defenses and lack of Cs playing. The Lakers lead the league in points per 100 possessions in 1980 with 109.5. League average right now is 108.7 which is the 2nd highest ever (the highest ever was 108.8 last season).

即便不提每回合节奏，现在的球队得分多了不少，规则对防守端限制重重，球队还经常摆出没有中锋的打法。1980年，湖人的每100回合得分是109.5分，联盟第一。现在的联盟平均值是108.7分，历史第二高的赛季（第一是上赛季的108.8）。

[–]Cavaliersthe_iceman_cometh 76 指標 7小時前

Yeah, per 100 possessions is better.

是的，每100回合的数据会更好。

[–]RaptorsGetLowwweee 72 指標 6小時前

for those curious:

Bron: 28.0/7.3/7.9, 2.2 STL, 1.0 BLK per 100 poss

Magic: 22.9/9.8/9.3, 3.1 STL, 0.7 BLK per 100 poss

Ben: 22.4/11.3/11.3, 2.4 STL, 1.2 BLK per 100 poss

给好奇的人整理了一下每100回合三人的数据。

詹姆斯: 28.0/7.3/7.9、2.2 抢断、1.0 封盖；

魔术师: 22.9/9.8/9.3、3.1 抢断,、0.7 封盖；

西蒙斯: 22.4/11.3/11.3、 2.4 抢断, 1.2 封盖。

[–]TimberwolvesNinjavelociraptor2 29 指標 5小時前

Tyreke: 27.7/7.2/7.9, 2.1 STL, 0.5 BLK per 100 poss

泰瑞克-埃文斯：27.7/7.2/7.9、 2.1抢断、0.5盖帽。

[–]Magic Tankwagonstephbackjumper56293 11 指標 6小時前

Although per 100 possessions can be flawed too, for the simple reason that a guy who plays for a 105 pace team will be more fatigued than a guy playing for a 95 pace team.

即使每100回合的数据也不是完全可靠，原因很简单：为回合数是105的球队打球的球员会比为回合数是95的球队打球的球员疲劳累。

[–]Cavaliersthe_iceman_cometh 14 指標 6小時前

True, but so is the defense they are playing against.

他们打快自己累是没错，但是对面防守也累啊。

[–]ThunderEasyowner 8 指標 6小時前

To be fair, Lebron had his rookie season as a high school graduate while Simmons in in 2nd year after college.

公平地讲，詹姆斯刚从高中毕业就开始了他的新秀赛季，西蒙斯的新秀赛季则是大学参选后的第二年。

[–]Raptorstakeyababynoharambe 21 指標 8小時前

Was LeBron really 250 lbs as a rookie? Or is that current figures

詹姆斯还是新秀的时候就有113KG（250磅）了？还是这是现在的数据。

[–]CavalierssBarro77 25 指標 8小時前

He was listed at 225 iirc.

骑士球迷：我没记错的话是102KG（225磅）。

[–]Nets TankwagonGeordi14er 11 指標 5小時前

I seem to remember 240.

我好像记得是109KG（240磅）。

[–][CLE] Kevin Lovetharizzle 14 指標 9小時前

Ben Simmons could be the next big thing, and that would be great for the league.

骑士球迷：西蒙斯有成为下一位天皇巨星的潜质啊，对联盟来说是个好事。

[–]MavericksTheWetMop 28 指標 7小時前

Counterpoint: Simmons and Embiid both being great encourages more teams to tank, which isn"t great for the league.

反面观点：西蒙斯和恩比德都这么强会鼓励更多的球队选择摆烂，这对联盟来说不是好事。

[–]76ersHelreaver 15 指標 7小時前

I don"t think it really has any effect on it, honestly. Teams have always tanked for superstars. The Sixers just did it a little bit longer to get more superstars. People didn"t really learn anything new from The Process, they just never committed to a long tank because it looks bad. Sixers just didn"t give a shit at the time.

76人球迷：我不觉得这对其他球队有什么影响。一直都有球队为了巨星摆烂，76人只是摆烂的时间稍长了一点，从而获得更多巨星。大家没有从“过程”里学到什么新东西，他们只是不愿摆烂这么久，因为这样脸上挂不住。但76人在那时可不管什么面子不面子的。

[–]CavaliersClozeQueue 18 指標 7小時前

Geez talk about a Big 3, what if Lebron goes to the Sixers and then they trade Saric to the lakers for this Magic guy! League absolutely fucked

骑士球迷：苍了个天呐，这才是三巨头啊！要是詹姆斯去了76人，然后他们再把沙里奇送到湖人换来这个叫魔术师的小伙子该多爽，联盟药丸。