为什么得分后卫和状元郎无缘?美网友：最容易被小前锋或控卫取代 1975年之后

Since 1975, no SG has been the first pick in an NBA Draft

1975年之后，没有一名得分后卫成为状元秀。

In 1975 David Thompson was the last SG to be selected with the first pick. In the last 4 years, one PG, one C, one PF and one SF were selected with the first pick. Why is that? Is this a coincidence? Or is the shooting guard position percieved as "less valuable" in basketball?

1975年的大卫-汤普森是最后一个成为状元秀的得分后卫。在过去四年中，当选状元的分别是控卫、中锋、大前和小前。为什么会这样？这是巧合吗？或者说人们认为得分后卫是球场上“价值更低”的一个位置？

[–][WAS] Moses Maloneburnerfret 485 指標 11小時前

How many are there who should have?

MJ, in retrospect, but even then it would have been a very unpopular pick by the Rockets.

Kobe was the first guard drafted out of HS more-or-less ever, so he wasn"t going to go 1.

Wade shouldn"t have gone ahead of LeBron.

Maybe Harden ahead of Blake, but even there Steph is the better bet in a re-draft.

有多少个本应成为状元的分卫？

回想一下，帮主可以，但是即使在那时，火箭选他也会是一个让人大跌眼镜的选择。

科比好像是第一个高中生分卫吧，所以他也选不上状元。

韦德不可能抢走勒布朗的状元的。

没准哈登能挤掉格里芬成为状元吧，但是要是搞重新选秀，赌库里会更好。

[–][LAL] Brandon IngramBrandonlngram 290 指標 9小時前

Oladipo

奥拉迪波啊。

[–]uncledrewkrew 110 指標 9小時前

You got Dipo over Giannis?

你选奥迪不选字母哥？

[–]TD9770 374 指標 9小時前

No one was even considering Giannis first overall, Oladipo was considered a potential first overall pick though, that"s the difference.

就没人考虑过第一位选字母哥好吧，奥拉迪波当时被认为是状元热门，这就是不同之处。

[–]Nuggetsmaster_ninja_part_II 192 指標 9小時前

IIRC Giannis was considered a pretty big stretch even at 15th at the time. Dude was playing in a 2nd tier Greek league.

没记错的话，当时字母哥能在15位被选中都算是稀奇的，他那时候就在希腊二级联赛打球。

[–]Celticscattymills 53 指標 8小時前

He was considered boom-or-bust but I actually think he was generally mocked mid-to-late 1st by the time of the draft. Could be wrong though.

Edit: He was actually top 10 in DX"s final mock. Of course, that doesn"t necessarily contradict you.

http://www.brewhoop.com/2013/6/22/4454472/nba-mock-draft-2013-top-100-draft-express

那时普遍认为他“要么牛上天，要么菜如狗”，但是我真的记得普遍把他在模拟选秀里排到首轮中后段的位置。可能是我记错了。

注：他在DraftExpress的最终模拟中排到了前十。当然，这和你的说法也并不相悖。

[–]polamaluuu 59 指標 6小時前

Chad Ford had him number 1 overall

查德-福特（选秀专家）把他排在了状元位置。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryantdakak36 25 指標 8小時前

I mean there’s Sidney Moncrief, Clyde Drexler, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, James Harden, DeMar DeRozan, Klay Thompson, etc

我想说，优秀的得分后卫（本可以当选状元的）有悉尼-蒙克里夫、德雷克斯勒、雷-阿伦、卡特、哈登、德罗赞、克莱等等。

I’m not saying any of them should’ve gone #1, it’s just surprising that outside of Jerry West you could say all of the top 10 SGs of all time have been drafted since 1975 and none of them went #1. The circumstances of each one makes sense, it’s still a crazy coincidence.

不是说这些人都应该拿状元秀，我只是很惊讶于除去杰里-韦斯特以外的史上前十分卫都是在1975年之后被选中的，而他们没有一个是状元秀。把每个人单拿出来还说得过去，全都这样就太巧了吧。

[–]76ersgrundlesmith 38 指標 8小時前

Mitchell would go #1 in a re draft of last years class

76人球迷：米切尔会在重新选秀中拿下17年状元秀的。

[–]CelticsFatAngryDrunk 16 指標 6小時前

For now. People were saying the same thing about Simmons when he got hurt and missed his season, and I think most people would still agree that he deserved the #1 pick. Give Fultz some time, I"m sure we"ll be proud of him too.

凯尔特人球迷：暂时可以这么说。人们在西蒙斯受伤错过首个赛季时也说过“xxx会在重新选秀中拿下16状元秀”类似的话，而我觉得大部分人仍然认为他配得上状元。给富尔茨些时间吧，他会让我们为他骄傲的。

[–]Nets TankwagonGood_NewsEveryone 506 指標 11小時前

Guards who are that talented are generally made into primary ball handlers and assigned the Pg position

天赋爆棚的后卫们通常被打造成首席持球者，然后去打控卫了。

[–]ImpossibleCategory 180 指標 10小時前

im kinda puzzled by this statement. The average nba point guard is 6"2. The average shooting guard is 6"6. Besides Harden, can you give examples of when a shooting guard was "so talented" he moved to the pg position?

兄弟你这回复让我很迷啊。联盟控卫的平均身高是188cm，分卫的平均身高是198cm。除了哈登，你还能找出哪个分卫“天赋爆棚”到跑去打控卫的？

[–]WarriorsJwoey 60 指標 10小時前

Westbrook played the two at UCLA didn’t he?

勇士球迷：威少大学时候打二号位吧，不是吗？

[–][PHI] Andre IguodalaIputthescrewintuna 42 指標 9小時前

Yeah Darren Collison was the PG technically. Team had those 2, Mbah a Moute and Kevin Love.

是的，严格来说达伦-科里森打的是控卫。那支UCLA拥有这两位、巴莫特和乐福。

[–]Nets TankwagonGood_NewsEveryone 272 指標 10小時前*

Fultz is 6’4”, could easily play 2 guard. Lonzo is 6’6”.

It’s not necessarily moving there. But developing that skillset. When you’re talented enough to be a NBA lottery pick you’ve been the best player on your team (probably by a lot) for the vast majority of your basketball career. As a guard, team will put the ball in your hands, rather than having you play more like a wing.

富尔茨193cm，打二号位也很容易。球哥198cm。

不是说非得让他们跑去打控卫。我说的是他们可以开发控卫技能包。当你的天赋让你足够入选乐透秀时，你之前的大部分生涯肯定都在打球队核心。作为后卫，球队会把球交到你的手里，而不是让你像一个侧翼一样打球。

[–]Nuggetshyperadhd 104 指標 10小時前

Murray too

掘金球迷：默里也是这样。

[–]Spursc0nna_ 44 指標 9小時前

Yeah Dejounte is pretty good ;)

马刺球迷：是啊，德章泰打得很不错哈哈。

[–][UTA] Delaney RuddDeathBySuplex 174 指標 11小時前

Honestly, I think that SG is the position that can be "covered" by a high caliber "other" than any other position in the game.

说实话，我觉得分卫是五个位置里面最容易被一个更高水准的“其他球员”所“代替”的位置。

A great SF/PG generally can play the spot, particularly in the modern era when PG"s are primary scoring guards anyways.

一个出色的小前锋或者控卫都可以去打2号位，尤其是在现代篮球中，控卫差不多都是首席得分的后卫了。

Also if there"s a great SG and a seemingly comparable Center, I think more teams would roll the dice with a big than a wing.

同时，如果要在一个好分卫和看起来还能与之相比的中锋中间做选择，我想更多的球队会放弃侧翼选择大个子吧。

[–]Knickskeefec 66 指標 10小時前

Spot on with the PGs being primary scoring guards, it takes a lot of value away from prospects playing the SG position. If Kobe or MJ were to be a prospect in this NBA, they might eventually transition to the PG position too and have a 3-and-D wing/guard to play alongside them.

同意楼上的“得分控卫”。这种现象让打分卫的希望之星的价值大大降低了。如果科比和乔丹是当今联盟中后卫位置上的潜力新星，他们可能最后也改打控卫了，和一个3D侧翼或者后卫搭档。

Most SGs are valued on their 3-and-D ability, and you don"t use a #1 pick on a 3-and-D guy

大部分分卫都靠着他们的3D属性吃饭，你可不会选一个3D球员做状元秀的。

[–][UTA] Delaney RuddDeathBySuplex 45 指標 10小時前

That’s also true. The position has shifted from a “go to” guy like MJ, Drexler, Kobe to more of a supporting niche type like the PF was pre-McHale, Barkley, Malone.

You don’t use a pick on a niche player.

是啊。这个位置的球员从“全交给他”型——比如乔丹、滑翔机和科比——转变为了可以说是做副手的“补缺型”球员，就像麦克海尔、巴克利、马龙之前的那些大前锋一样。

拿状元签就选个副手？那你怕是石乐志。

[–]I own 10 pairs of ZO2ssptagnew 112 指標 11小時前

Allen Iverson was a shooting guard. RJ Barrett could break the mold next year too.

艾弗森就是分卫啊。RJ-巴雷特明年也可以破了这个咒。

[–]CelticsTroyAtWork 109 指標 11小時前

Iverson was a SG for most of his career, but he played PG in college and was drafted as a PG. His first 2 seasons in Philly he played PG next to Jerry Stackhouse / Aaron McKie.

艾弗森生涯大部分时间都是打分卫的，但是他在大学里打控卫，也是以控卫身份参选的。他在费城的前两个赛季都是打控卫，和斯塔克豪斯或阿隆-麦基搭档。

[–]HeatEthanshaw98 102 指標 9小時前

Ok if we’re going based on what they played their rookie year then count LeBron. He played SG his rookie season

好吧，要是我们按新秀年打什么位置来讨论这个问题，勒布朗也得算成分卫状元秀。他新秀赛季就是打二号位的。

[–]MagicByrie_Swirving 14 指標 10小時前

I watched the high school national championship this weekend and Barrett is just insane. If he ever gets a solid jump shooting game he will be great in the league.

我这周末看了全国高中联赛，巴雷特简直太屌了！他要是把跳投开发出来，绝对能在NBA打出一番天地的。

[–]BucksSatvrdaynightwrist 23 指標 11小時前

Definitely a coincidence, but maybe not entirely. It naturally seems like the less important of the backcourt positions through having the ball in their hands less, and at certain points in time having a dominant big man was like a cheat code. And SG has always felt like one of the easier positions to just plug in some regular guy and you"ll be OK.

绝对是巧合，但是可能不完全是巧合。得分后卫的位置属于拿球更少的后场球员，其作用看起来自然就不那么重要了，而在某些特定时刻，拥有一名统治力大个子就会像开了挂一样。分卫就经常让人觉得是一个更容易安排的位置，随便派上一个普通球员基本就ok了。

[–][HOU] Chris PaulDaft_Turt 16 指標 9小時前

as long as your SG can shoot 3"s and is tall enough to play flex-defense, he"s fulfilling his job for a lot of teams.

只要一个分卫能投进三分球，而且足够高，能防好几个位置，他就能在大多数球队里面完成工作了。

[–]Knickskeefec 11 指標 10小時前

The NBA is transitioning into a more "positionless" brand of basketball. I don"t think it"s fair to label them in the 5 traditional positions anymore.

NBA现在正往“位置模糊化”方向发展。我认为还把球员打上5个位置的传统标签已经不公平了。

Take Ben Simmons for example. He wasn"t picked 1st due to his traditional SF abilities. Aside from his size, there is nothing "SF" about him offensively. Fultz also, he wasn"t drafted for his ability to lead the team and distribute, but rather his ability to score to compliment what the team already has, making him more of a SG.

就拿本-西蒙斯举例子。他不是凭借他的传统小前锋能力当选状元的。除了他的身材，他在进攻端跟小前锋这个位置一点关系都没有。富尔茨也是，他不是因为能够领导球队并且分享球而成为状元秀的，他凭借的是他那些锦上添花的得分能力，这让他更像是一个分卫。

[–][SAS] Danny Greendavidharman24 22 指標 10小時前

I don’t think people realise how much the shooting guard position has changed in the nba. Teams pretty much trot out 2 small forwards now

我觉得人们没有意识到得分后卫这个位置已经有了多大的变革。现在的球队差不多都是派上两个小前锋在场上打球的。

[–]Kevin_Durants_Alt 49 指標 9小時前

A time traveler from 2003 would say we typically play with 1 PG, 3 SF, and 1 PF these days

要是2003年的球迷穿越到今天看了现代的比赛，他估计会说现在的联盟都是用一个控卫，三个小前锋和一个大前锋打球的。