科比提及自己每年都要面对马刺，美国球迷细数科比击败50胜球队的 Kobe Bryant: "WE had to face th

Kobe Bryant: "WE had to face the Spurs EVERY post season pretty much. Not to mention the first super team in Boston but hey, what do I know"

科比：“我们那会儿几乎每年季后赛都得碰马刺。而且我这没提第一支超级球队凯尔特人呢——不过我又懂什么呢？”

In response to this on Twitter: If @kobebryant was on the Heat/Cavs instead of @KingJames the past 6 years, and faced the 13", 14" Spurs & 15",16",17", 18" Warriors, hed have ZERO rings. Context is everything.

科比这条推特是回复一位网友的评论，该位网友表示“如果过去6年里，热火/骑士队拥有的是科比而不是詹姆斯，面对13、14年的马刺和15、16、17、18年的勇士，科比一个冠军也拿不到。具体背景很重要！”

[–]76ersanser1233 1022 指標 5小時前*

Kobe got too much free time, now that he isn"t practicing 20 hours a day he"s replying to twitter trolls

76人球迷：科比现在太闲了。退役了不用每天花20个小时训练了，于是他竟然开始回复推特的喷子了。

[–]LakersCanYouDigit34 895 指標 5小時前

at least he is using his real account.

湖人球迷：至少蜗壳怼人上的是大号。

[–]InSearchOfGoodPun 114 指標 3小時前

Yup, at first I was thinking, "Damn, that"s a pretty thin-skinned and petty comment for him to make," but then I thought, "Well, at least he has the guts to say it directly instead of using a sock puppet."

没错，一开始看到这个新闻的时候我想：“科比说这种话是不是显得他脸皮太薄了、没气量。”后来我又觉得：“好吧，至少科比有这个胆子直接说出来，没有用伪装的小号。”

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantDongsquad420BlazeIt 166 指標 5小時前

Gotta do something between making Oscar winning films

湖人球迷：蜗壳平常忙着制作能赢奥斯卡的电影，业余时间总得做点什么找找乐子呀。

[–]Lakersfuckthenbamods 106 指標 5小時前

He won an Emmy too.

湖人球迷：他还得了个艾美奖呢。

[–]Clippersiliketowhispertoo 51 指標 4小時前

I actually saw Kobe this past Saturday and Sunday in Orange County coaching his daughters basketball team, The Mambas.

快船球迷：上周末我在加州的橘子郡看见了科比本人，他在执教自己女儿们所在的球队——曼巴队。

[译注1]

[译注1]译者不清楚这位网友是在玩梗还是讲述真事。科比女儿以前所在的足球队叫【Mamba FC】（曼巴足球俱乐部），后来又创建了女子篮球青少年联盟【Mamba League】（曼巴联盟），科比自己的女儿也在其中。如下面两图：

[–]KobeNotTop100 121 指標 5小時前

Kobe going in lmao

科比出手了哈哈哈哈哈。

[–]LakersJuanisnotcool 110 指標 5小時前

Kobe, my man, why are you responding to these retards? That idiot’s life was just made because you replied to his idiotic comment

湖人球迷：科比啊科比，我的唠嗑，你干嘛要理这种智障呢？正因为你对这种愚蠢言论做出了回复，这个蠢货的人生突然有了意义啊。

[–]Warriors BandwagonKingKD- 251 指標 5小時前

i like how kobe actually lets everyone know how he feels and responds to stuff like this

勇士球迷：科比让所有人知道自己对这种言论的想法，并做出了回应，这么做我挺喜欢的。

[–]WarriorsGOAT_OR_LYNCH_HIM3 88 指標 4小時前

If he is this honest with his main account imagine the crazy stuff he is saying on all his burners.

如果科比在大号上都这么实诚，那他在小号上发表的言论得有多疯狂啊。

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantNY-Kobe-6God 86 指標 4小時前

Fella like Kob wont care for a burner

湖人球迷：科比这样的爷们是不屑于用小号的。

[–]LakersLonzoDaVinci 965 指標 5小時前

I don"t like where this is heading...

湖人球迷：我不太喜欢这件事的发展方向（科詹撕B大战）……

[–]Warriors Bandwagonisavemorethanirape 436 指標 4小時前

"Fuck it I"ll lace them up and show you all"

勇士球迷：科比心想“去特么的，逼老子重新披挂上阵证明给你们看是吧。”

[–]_RedditModsAreCancer 618 指標 5小時前

Kobe Bryant is better at basketball than Lebron James

来了来了：科比要比詹姆斯更会打篮球。

[–][CHI] Derrick RoseTheRealCountVertigo 407 指標 4小時前

And there it is

看看看，层主说的人出现了。

[–]RaptorsAstro_Sloth 362 指標 3小時前

Does anyone shout LeBron or Jordan when they shoot trash into the garbage can? I rest my case.

猛龙球迷：有多少人在向废纸篓扔进垃圾的时候会大喊一句“勒布朗”或者“乔丹”？我的话说完了。

[–]BullsNewPleb 324 指標 3小時前

I shout "Clarkson" because I miss every time

我只会喊“克拉克森”，因为我每次都扔不准。

[–]LakersGiveMeSomeIhedigbo 25 指標 3小時前

You joke, but I"ve seen people use this as a serious argument.

湖人球迷：那位猛龙球迷是在开玩笑，但我真见过有人一本正经地把这个当作论据。

[–][BOS] Sebastian TelfairJayLarranagasEyes 61 指標 3小時前

One grown man seriously told me that "Juicy J doesn"t say "Lebron James on the Cavs" he says "Kobe Bryant on the Lakers now that"s paper""

Check mate. Kobe > Lebron

凯尔特人球迷：楼上这算啥，一个都已经成年了的哥们曾经很严肃地跟我说：“Juicy J在歌词里唱的是[湖人队的科比住我家旁，这就是哥有米的实锤"，而不是"骑士队的詹姆斯"。没话说了吧？科比就是比詹姆斯强！”

[–]Bullsthreemileallan 189 指標 4小時前

Why not? Its the truth. If we apply James Finals win rate to the hypothetical if he played in the western conference.... he would only have 2 or 3 finals appearances at best.

公牛球迷：有问题？科比说的是事实啊。如果我们假设詹姆斯在西部，然后考虑到他的总决赛胜率……他只能进两次总决赛，最多三次。

[–]LakersLonzoDaVinci 91 指標 4小時前

I don"t dispute what he"s saying, just that this is a bad time for a LeBron vs. Kobe beef.

湖人球迷（上面一层的层主）：对科比的所言我不争论。但现在真的不是开启詹科之争的时候啊。

[–]WarriorsPlatypus81 95 指標 4小時前

Kobe fans vs. LeBron fans beef.

勇士球迷：应该是詹蜜科蜜之争。

[–]jsung2 142 指標 4小時前

I prefer Kobe beef. It’s so tender. Not to be confused with kobe’s beef.

我更喜欢“神户牛排”，柔嫩多汁。大家不要跟“科比裆下的那坨肉”搞混淆了。

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[译注2]Beef的原意是牛肉。Kobe取自日本的地名神户。Kobe Beef则是神户牛肉的意思。但Beef也有争吵/争论/掐架的意思，而同时，俚语中的Beef也有二八的意思。该网友在这里玩了很绝妙的文字游戏。

[–]lakeshow9 711 指標 4小時前

The number of 50 win teams that a player has beaten in the playoffs goes: Kobe - 25, MJ - 20, and Bron 13. Competition/era matters

季后赛击败50胜球队次数对比：科比25次、乔丹20次、詹姆斯13次。竞争对手/时代是很重要的。

[–]LakersSuperplex123 382 指標 3小時前

There was a time when the 8th seed has 50 wins in the West. It"s insane.

湖人球迷：有一年连西部第八都拿到了50胜，太疯狂了。

[–]WarriorsMrWakey 358 指標 3小時前

Oh, that year the Warriors won 48 games and missed the playoffs? Yeah, I remember that one.

勇士球迷：噢，是我勇48胜但无缘季后赛的那年吧？我记得。

[–]zeezlebop2 222 指標 3小時前

Hey a real dubs fan

That’s refreshing

抓到一个真勇士球迷！真是活久见啊！

[–][CHI] Joakim NoahthemiddlestHaHa 122 指標 3小時前

Or the East had a playoff team with a losing record lol

公牛球迷：那年东部有一支球队胜率不足五成然后还进了季后赛哈哈。

[–]NBAitsgettingbadman 38 指標 3小時前

So Kobe > MJ?

这么说，科比比乔丹强了？

[–]NBARareSir 117 指標 3小時前

We could go on all day with this stuff though. You could say kobe and mj never beat a team as good as the 73-9 warriors. At the end of the day, they all faced great competition and are each great in their own right

（接上层层主讨论）不过，这种话题我们能来来回回聊上一整天。你也可以说科比或者乔丹都没有击败过一支强如73胜勇士的球队。等到一切都尘埃落定你就会发现，他们三人都是经过十分激烈的竞争，才在各自的时代独领风骚的。

[–]USAdoctor_dapper 92 指標 3小時前

That’s a fact though. Could lebron have beaten that warriors team after playing quality teams like the thunder, rockets, spurs, etc.? The West always has a couple contenders and the only real contender in the east is lebron.

Some teams match up better against each other so it’s not as easy in the west

但是这是事实啊。要是詹姆斯在总决赛之前就遇到雷霆、火箭、马刺这样的强队，还能击败勇士吗？西部有几个争冠球队，但东部只有一支——那就是詹姆斯。

有一些球队在对位上更有优势，所以想冲出西部真的很不容易。

[–]NBARareSir 64 指標 3小時前*

But what if LeBron was on a strong contender in the west such as the Spurs? Yes, his competition would be tougher by default, as he is in the west, but he would also be on a strong west team himself. It kind of evens out.

但是，如果詹姆斯所处的是西部的一支争冠球队（比如马刺）又会怎样呢？没错，如果在西部，他将面临的竞争对手的确会更艰难，但他同样也有可能为一个实力强劲的西部球队效力啊。这么看是不是平衡点了。

Edit: When thinking about this hypothetical, we have to remember that we would be moving LeBron to the west, not one of his Cavs teams. Sure, his Cavs teams probably wouldn’t fare too well out there. But that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about putting LeBron on a contender in the west. LeBron sees a lot of success in the east because it’s not very strong. But we have to keep in mind that he also sees this success because he’s a generational talent. Put him on a contending team in the west, and he will have success

PS：我们在进行假设时必须记住，我们是假设把詹姆斯放在西部，而不是把骑士队放在西部。诚然，把骑士放在西部，结果很可能不会好看。但这不是我们要讨论的问题。我们的假设是把詹姆斯放进西部的一支争冠球队里面（会怎样）。詹姆斯获得了这么多的成就，一方面是因为东部整体实力不强，但另一方面，我们要明白，更是因为詹姆斯拥有几十年一遇的天赋。詹姆斯如果在西部的争冠球队，他一样能获得成功。

[–]CavaliersJust_Dreams 70 指標 3小時前

This is the main point lost in the "LeBron couldn"t make it in the West" narrative. Yeah, he"d be playing some better teams, but by your own admission, if the West is stronger he would also by default HAVE a better team.

骑士球迷：“詹姆斯在西部无法取得成功”这种舆论恰恰是没有考虑到楼上所说的问题。没错，詹姆斯如果去了西部，必将经受更多强队的检验，但正如你们所承认的一样，如果西部比东部更强，那詹姆斯所在的西部球队就应该会比现在的骑士强。

[–]RocketsStopItTickles 42 指標 3小時前

Yeah for some reason whenever that argument is brought up people just think the Cavs are being moved West or some shit.

火箭球迷：没错，不知道什么原因，每次进行这种讨论，人们的假设总是直接把骑士队放在西部，或者说些其他的有的没的。

[–]celj1234 938 指標 5小時前

He ain’t lying

科比说的是实话啊。

[–][LAL] Coby KarlCaptMarvel23 504 指標 5小時前

Yeah maybe people who have more sypathy if he went 0-6 against the Spurs in the postseason instead of 4-2.

湖人球迷：是的，要是科比在季后赛不是4-2赢了马刺而是0-6被横扫，那他可能会得到更多的同情。

[–]KnicksWhitePeopleLoveCurry 96 指標 3小時前

Yep you have to lose repeatedly to great teams for some to believe they"re great.

没错，你必须得连续败给伟大的球队，一些人才会觉得这些球队足够伟大。

[–]Jazznosferobots 95 指標 3小時前

He sure is on legacy alert 24/7 lately though

爵士球迷：不过最近的科比可是时时刻刻都在担心自己的历史地位啊。

[–]gianni_cerqueti 101 指標 2小時前

Well maybe that"s because a lot of people need to shit on his legacy to push LeBron ahead of him. Which is somehow meaningful but don"t mind me

也许是因为，很多人觉得自己需要踩科比一脚才能把詹姆斯排在科比前面？在我看来这根本没有任何意义。

[–]EastKruNCHBoX 70 指標 7小時前

kobe come on man spurs are not the fucking warriors

唠嗑别闹啊，马刺可不是吊炸天的勇士啊。

[–]MisterHibachi 186 指標 7小時前

Kobe doing his best to prevent LeBron to the Lakers right now lmao

哈哈哈哈哈哈科比现在是用吃奶的力气阻止詹姆斯加盟湖人。

[–]HeatmRshaker 33 指標 3小時前

Kobe was not disrespecting Lebron though. He just clapped back to a fan who thinks he would have 0 championships.

不过科比没有不尊重詹姆斯的意思。科比只是在对这个球迷的言论进行还击，谁让他说科比拿不到冠军呢？

Kobe talking about LeBron’s legacy: “Legacies are built on titles, period, with no allowance"

科比谈詹姆斯历史地位：“历史地位是建立在冠军的基础上的，无需多言。”

[–]back2god 121 指標 14小時前

Kobe is officially butthurt.

科比是真的心碎了一地。

[–]HeatMaydietoday 33 指標 14小時前

Kobe trying to bring 2010 back and idk if I’m going to survive this.

热火球迷：科比现在是想把时间拨回2010年啊……我不知道我能不能幸存下来。

[–]Xlow48 23 指標 13小時前

I"m impressed it only took him 2 years of being retired to reach Big O/Kareem-level saltiness for a current player #dominatebitterness

科比退役才两年，酸现役球员的能力就已经达到大O（针对库里的评价）和贾巴尔（针对司机的评价）的级别了。#支配老坛陈醋#

[–]Jaxsl 13 指標 14小時前

This is why I don"t get too mad at KD for joining the Warriors because it"s a rings or nothing when it comes to the NBA

这也是我为什么对杜兰特加盟勇士这件事并不感到特别生气的原因：NBA只以冠军论英雄。

[–]WizardsVswerve27 23 指標 14小時前

Thank you kobe and idiots like you for encouraging Durant to go to golden state

奇才球迷：多亏了科比，以及许多跟科比持一致看法的蠢货，才让杜兰特去了勇士。

[–]RaptorsAmbitiousSingh 6 指標 14小時前

Lebron should just join the Warriors next season. After all, rings are all that matter.

詹姆斯下赛季就应该直接加盟勇士。毕竟戒指才是唯一重要的东西。

[–][DET] Ben WallaceColtrane811 78 指標 14小時前

Number of titles Kobe has as the best player on his team: 2

Lebron: 3

活塞球迷：老大冠军数量：科比2个、詹姆斯3个。

[–][DAL] Dan DickauJuniper41 35 指標 14小時前

Pau was arguably the best player in the 2010 finals. Obviously Kobe is the better player and drew more coverage, but in the 2010 finals, Kobe shot under 50% for all 7 games, and in the fourth quarter, Pau Gasol shot 10/17 (58%) compared to Kobe"s 12/41 (29%).

独行侠球迷：在2010年总决赛，加索尔可能是湖人表现最好的球员，这一观点是有讨论余地的。毫无疑问，比起加索尔，科比是更好的球员，吸引防守能力更强。但是在2010年总决赛里，所有7场比赛，科比的命中率均不足50%；再比较末节的表现，加索尔共计17投10中（58%），而科比是41投12中（29%）。

For the series as a whole, Pau averaged 18.6 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.7 bpg and 1.9 turnovers per game on 48/x/72 shooting and was a +12 for the series. Kobe averaged 28.6 ppg, 8 rpg, 3.9 apg, 2.1 spg and 3.9 turnovers per game on 40/32/88 shooting. I"m not saying Pau deserved the 2010 FMVP over Kobe, but at the very least it was arguable. Pau was incredible that series, even if it was largely in part to Kobe"s gravity. Part of FMVP is making the most of your opportunity (see, Iguadala, Tony Parker)

整个总决赛下来，加索尔场均18.6分+11.6篮板+2.7盖帽，仅1.9次失误，命中率48%，罚球72%，总正负值+12；科比场均28.8分+8篮板+3.9助攻+2.1抢断，以及3.9次失误，总命中率40%，三分球32%，罚球88%。

我不是说加索尔比科比更值得FMVP奖杯，但至少还是有争论的余地。那年总决赛，虽然科比吸引防守火力起到了很大作用，但加索尔的表现依然令人难以置信。FMVP的一部分就是把握好自己得到的机会。（比如伊戈达拉、托尼-帕克）

[–]TimberwolvesDrWolves 19 指標 13小時前

You"re getting downvoted but you are 100% right. Pau was the best player for the Lakers that series but it doesn"t fit the Kobe has 5 rings narrative these fan bois love to throw around here

森林狼球迷：虽然很多人都把你点灭了，但是你说的是完全正确的。那年总决赛，加索尔的确是湖人表现最好的球员，但是这个观点是不会得到这些把五冠常常挂在嘴边的年轻球迷的认可的。

[–][DAL] Dan DickauJuniper41 76 指標 14小時前*

Says the guy who got 60% of his titles with the most dominant center the NBA has ever seen.

独行侠球迷：科比60%数量的冠军是跟着NBA历史上最具统治力的中锋一起拿的，说这种话不太好吧。

[–]Spurszipitup_and_zipitout 61 指標 14小時前

Shaq won 75% of his titles with Kobe, though...

马刺球迷：照你这么说，奥尼尔75%的冠军都是跟科比一起拿的……

[–][PHI] Clarence Weatherspoontheytook-r-jobs 26 指標 14小時前

Shaq won 3 in LA as their best player. How many other players get credit for title where they weren"t their teams best player like Kobe?

76人球迷：奥尼尔在湖人拿的三冠都是老大冠军啊。但是有多少球员能像科比一样在以非老大身份夺冠的同时还得到他那么多赞誉的？

[–]Warriorsjustaplasticbag 32 指標 14小時前

This is so bad. You know KAJ is top 3 all-time, has 2/6 FMVP and somehow gets to be above Magic Johnson despite missing the playoffs in his prime? How does KAJ get credit for that?

勇士球迷：你这话说得可真没水平。贾巴尔是历史前三，拿了6个冠军但只有2个FMVP，他在生涯巅峰期还打不了季后赛，但他为什么历史地位比魔术师还高？为什么贾巴尔会得到那么多赞誉？

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesjamesbond0721 55 指標 14小時前

LOL Kobe won Finals with averages like 16/5/4 when he was with Shaq.

LBJ just lost a finals averging 34/10/9.

Thanks for the insight Kobe.

骑士球迷：哈哈哈，科比跟着奥尼尔拿第一个冠军的时候，场均数据也就16+5+4的样子，而詹姆斯刚刚输掉的总决赛里，场均34+10+9.

科比，你的观点真犀利啊。

[–]Lakersdon_julio_randle 9 指標 14小時前

The finals then were effectively the WCF. Look what Kobe averaged there before Rose injured him in the finals, which you conveniently left out.

湖人球迷：那时真正的总决赛实际上是西决。看看杰伦-罗斯把科比弄伤之前他的总决赛数据吧，你怎么就没放出来呢？

[–][DAL] Dan DickauJuniper41 7 指標 12小時前

He averaged 20/5/6 with 3 turnovers per game that series. He played well, but without Shaq"s 26/13/4/1/2 the Lakers would have gotten swept.

独行侠球迷：那个系列赛科比场均20+5+6，还有三个失误。他打得不错，但如果没有奥尼尔的26+13+4+1+2，湖人会被横扫的。